Ana is insisting that I think queer and Gurlesque poetics are mutually exclusive terms. I do not. Not at all.
I initially said: "Queer poetics turn away from the pathology of the hetero, and that is a very excellent thing. Gurlesque poetics embrace and interrogate the pathology."
I assume a queer person can perform in either of these modes, Gurlesque or queer, both of which are available to them. The presence of queers and bis in the anthology is evidence of this.
Unlike Ana, perhaps, I do not assume a queer person can only perform in one mode.
Lara, see my last comment to you. I was reacting to this statement of yours:
ReplyDeleteQueer femme poets turn away from the pathology of the hetero. Gurlesque poets embrace the pathology.
Which you share in the comment fields here:
http://exoskeleton-johannes.blogspot.com/2010/03/note-on-gurlesque-queering.html
You say 'queer femme poets' here, not 'queer poetics.' This is the source of my, as you say, insistence. I hope I have been constructive, in my other comment, in explaining why I read this as you saying the gurlesque mode was not available to queer femme poets. It certainly sounded like it.
I'm not sure I agree with this definition of queer poetics:
"Queer poetics turn away from the pathology of the hetero." See Amy's examples of queered cock at amyhappens.org :). I might have more to say on that later.
I think the distinction between "poets" and "poetics" is an absolutely crucial one.
ReplyDeleteIn the comment box, I meant to say poetics, which is what I explicitly said in my initial post. I can see how this threw you.
And yes, this description of queer poetics is very cursory, in the way blog transactions are all too apt to be. I am not seeking to gain control over this term.
Lara, I really do think the gurlesque has awesome potential. I wouldn't have engaged with it so much over the course of days if I didn't think so. I look forward to see where it goes & to other echoes & splashes the anthology generates.
ReplyDeleteThanks so much, Ana.
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ReplyDeleteThe only thing interesting about this whole discussion, is the fact that calling
ReplyDeletehetero,
a pathology
is essentially calling life
a sickness
which is
a positive step.
but
Socrates said as much
on his death bed
when he made a joke
about sacrificing a cock
to asclepius.
Did you know that?
Not many people do.
Now.
Why are poets
so embroiled with gender?
Writing as a process,
is a mechanical object.
The only proper thing
for art to be concerned with
is
segmentarity and thought.
Your bodies
are medical, and medical science
has all kinds of procedures for your bodies if you can afford them.
The body is the exemplum of complexity in this universe.
That is really all that needs to be said.
Otherwise, I mean, it's cute,
but
do you really want to get that involved with what is essenetially
the delineation of a stylistics.
sylistics are so
temporally circumscribed as to be
trite.
that's the simplest way to put.
it makes gender
and the mystery of the body
into something like a
house shoe.
If I can buy a gurlesque
experiment in prose or poetry
or read it, "about it"
it has become
a house-shoe.
People's sexual proclivities
might be a subject for wiriting
at this point,
but why not
just fuck instead.
I am glad you discovered
that life
is a sickness.
That is good.
Now draw a picture of a protein.
This is slightly more difficult.
phaneronoemikon -
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like what you're saying is that the gurlesque is just people expressing on paper what they're afraid to do with their own bodies.
What a brilliant possibility!
That's an interesting comment by Max. Is the "pornographic" aspect of Gurlesque substantively reportage or more like fantasy?
ReplyDeleteUnder a comment below, btw, I ask something about the relationship between Flarf (Nada Gordon specifically) and Gurlesque that I think is interesting in context of "definitions."
Since Kent has weighed in, or is conjoining in the
ReplyDelete"way of din"
on the gurlesque.
My antennae have reported back to me:
Lanny, show them.
Gurlesque is of course
Generative, and URL esq(wire).
Have you ever noticed the curious vennisonicism
between girl
and gryll
ala gryllus
hmm.
where are the bohemian dandy mereologists of any sex, gender,
or imaginal paramoodisolvennseas..
The tender lingering among the give word forms is endearingly
primitive.
girls as primitive.
humans as primitives.
Why only this morning
I had somehow traveled to a parallel universe
of angels
whose blisscree
was a flow
wherein mind and matter
illustrated synonomi
can you imagine
the imaginal applicative
tender plantean emeralda
you coral of tiny controlled whorls
of anything
it is so wonderful
when the old ones
let us see pictures
of the long lost worlds
there were once cities like coils of dna billions of lightyears long
amorphous liquid sentience attended
that music of architecture
the blood of that old manifold
i have their dreams
i alone have surfed the old eons
of the angels
i alone have seen
the ancient cuttle librarian
with his blood
of data souls
hey, this last part is fabulous!
ReplyDelete>Lanny Quarles wrote:
it is so wonderful
when the old ones
let us see pictures
of the long lost worlds
there were once cities like coils of dna billions of lightyears long
amorphous liquid sentience attended
that music of architecture
the blood of that old manifold
[....]
the ancient cuttle librarian
with his blood
of data souls
yes, well, off curse, the boot, oat ship, or shape
ReplyDeletethe grow-tusque came long before
the grylloosque..
vennous, echolulliua, that combimatrix
Ramtha with monocle
tells of obsidian data shadows furred in surds
turns words like flint columns
in a haze or blur of hands
and
any kid her hiss its waist in gold
goats sewn
so kiss
the blurney ssss-tone
avacadabratart
sac reve orifice
revenant's bliss
or royal blisp
that's sexy
as deformity
the universal kind
R am tha
like Plato's animal growl entoti
Rrrr am ther
therium
or theorium
it is all
participation
within a hole