I feel like Coconut is a pretty good publication, though I'm kind of confused by the likes of Armantrout or Lehman needing space in small publication. And of course there's some bias there too. I would be lying if I said I wasn't biased quite a bit.
It's like Pinsky (argh) publishing a chapbook. Really? A chapbook? Can't you just get one of your fancy book folks to publish a new book or something?
It would be like Dylan auditioning for a record company now.
I agree that it's its own form and there's no fault in the chapbook itself, but yes, it's that it's Pinsky.
I suppose my issue with RA and DL is not the conversation (that's for him to know and for us to discover, I suppose) but that I feel their inclusion may have more to do with having RA and DL in his publication. Call my cynical.
Amish, I'm not quite following this poet/magazine hierarchy you're envisioning. Well, Ok, I think I am following it and just really disagree.
Why would you assume Bruce had any motives other than putting together a magazine of work he both admired and thought in some way worked together?
Your implication that the Armantrout and Lehman poems were selected as some sort of attempt at prestige seems unnecessarily critical and without much basis.
Do you really see Armantrout and Lehman as slumming by appearing in an online poetry magazine? Do you think their work appearing in Coconut took spots away from "emerging" poets who have more of a right to appear there? Has Coconut ever portrayed itself as solely an outlet for lesser known poets? Every issue to date has been a "mix" in that regard.
From the beginning of Coconut I've tried in each issue to bring together a wide range of well-known and younger writers who I believe are in conversation with one another. Yes, this issue--like every Coconut issue--has some "big-name" writers in it--but at the same time, 13 of the 22 writers in the issue have not yet published their first book.
Ultimately I'm not sure what you're suggesting of me? Coconut has a strong track record, in my opinion, of consistently supporting younger, unpublished, and less established poets. Putting these writers in conversation with more established poets helps draw attention to--and contextualize--their work. But everything I publish in Coconut is work I love, and my great joy is in discovering a fantastic poet I hadn't ever heard of before! What's wrong with wanting to publish particular authors, whether "known" or not, whose work I enjoy? Should I exclude certain poets based solely on the number of books they've published?
Bruce: First of all, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and Coconut. I frequently read it, and as you know, submit to it. I wouldn't do that if I didn't like what you are doing
And certainly you've done an amazing job of promoting younger folks, which is why I wanted to bring up a question about publishing older, more established folks. What is the goal there? If, as you say, it's publishing work that you like, then excellent. I was just curious about the motivation there.
And yes, you always publish "big name poets" so I don't know why I'm bringing it up now. I suppose I was spurred on by Johannes's post and response to me, suggesting the "conversation" between Ariana, RA and DL.
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I feel like Coconut is a pretty good publication, though I'm kind of confused by the likes of Armantrout or Lehman needing space in small publication. And of course there's some bias there too. I would be lying if I said I wasn't biased quite a bit.
It's like Pinsky (argh) publishing a chapbook. Really? A chapbook? Can't you just get one of your fancy book folks to publish a new book or something?
It would be like Dylan auditioning for a record company now.
Amish,
I don't understand these comments.
I think chapbook is its own form, not a pseudo-book, but its own thing. The annoying thing about it is, well that it's Pinsky...
Also, I think Bruce Covey probably think Rae A. and Lehman are in conversation with Ariana etc (at least in his mind).
I agree that it's its own form and there's no fault in the chapbook itself, but yes, it's that it's Pinsky.
I suppose my issue with RA and DL is not the conversation (that's for him to know and for us to discover, I suppose) but that I feel their inclusion may have more to do with having RA and DL in his publication. Call my cynical.
Amish, I'm not quite following this poet/magazine hierarchy you're envisioning. Well, Ok, I think I am following it and just really disagree.
Why would you assume Bruce had any motives other than putting together a magazine of work he both admired and thought in some way worked together?
Your implication that the Armantrout and Lehman poems were selected as some sort of attempt at prestige seems unnecessarily critical and without much basis.
Do you really see Armantrout and Lehman as slumming by appearing in an online poetry magazine? Do you think their work appearing in Coconut took spots away from "emerging" poets who have more of a right to appear there? Has Coconut ever portrayed itself as solely an outlet for lesser known poets? Every issue to date has been a "mix" in that regard.
Dear Amish,
From the beginning of Coconut I've tried in each issue to bring together a wide range of well-known and younger writers who I believe are in conversation with one another. Yes, this issue--like every Coconut issue--has some "big-name" writers in it--but at the same time, 13 of the 22 writers in the issue have not yet published their first book.
Ultimately I'm not sure what you're suggesting of me? Coconut has a strong track record, in my opinion, of consistently supporting younger, unpublished, and less established poets. Putting these writers in conversation with more established poets helps draw attention to--and contextualize--their work. But everything I publish in Coconut is work I love, and my great joy is in discovering a fantastic poet I hadn't ever heard of before! What's wrong with wanting to publish particular authors, whether "known" or not, whose work I enjoy? Should I exclude certain poets based solely on the number of books they've published?
Bruce Covey
Bruce: First of all, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you and Coconut. I frequently read it, and as you know, submit to it. I wouldn't do that if I didn't like what you are doing
And certainly you've done an amazing job of promoting younger folks, which is why I wanted to bring up a question about publishing older, more established folks. What is the goal there? If, as you say, it's publishing work that you like, then excellent. I was just curious about the motivation there.
And yes, you always publish "big name poets" so I don't know why I'm bringing it up now. I suppose I was spurred on by Johannes's post and response to me, suggesting the "conversation" between Ariana, RA and DL.
Maybe I'm just trying to cause trouble :).
Lorraine has been leading on her blog an interesting discussion on Ariana's most recent book:
http://terminalhumming.blogspot.com/2008/07/some-reading-notes-on-ariana-reines.html
Thanks to Ariana for sending us a copy.
Thanks, Mark, I'm going over there now.
Yes, do come say hello. The more input the better in this case.
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